I've been reading up on clomid and found that a lot of people buy it off the Internet without a doctors Rx just to TTC twins on purpose. That's crazy!!
Oh and Christina, idk if it matters but I've also had 2 losses in the last couple of months.
Oh sheesh !! I didn't even know that was possible...lol, I'm nervous to use it even with a prescription (still hoping it doesn't come to that). I can't imagine risking the serious side effects without a dr's approval and supervision...just not worth it imo.
Kelly I remember cd3 bloodwork and 7dpo (to confirm that I ovulated) and there might've been more, but this mommys brain is moosh. I was charting/temping and using OPK's as well. Fun times
Amber I am sorry hun Have they been able to give you a reason? Although I know sometimes there is no reason, that it just happens
and it is very, very easy to get Clomid online. It is actually cheaper than here in the U.S. too!!
Omw...just looked it up...less than $30 for 2months worth of 100mg tabs...how is that legal, or is it? How would you even know that's what you're getting? LOL, I put it in "my cart" to see if they'd prompt for a prescription number, they didn't, but they added 4 viagra pills as a free bonus .
Sorry for the tangent !
What a great conversation, mind if I jump in?
I actually got all of my IVF meds from overseas pharmacies (in the UK), and even though the did require a prescription, they were the exact same brands/meds and about 1/4 the price of what I have paid in the states. They have legislation in Europe that still strictly ensures quality but limits the profit that companies can make off medications, keeping the prices incredibly low. It seriously saved me about $5000. Enjoy that viagra!
We did 4 IUIs before going to IVF, first was unmonitored, the other 3 were monitored with 100mg Clomid and injectables. If you want to go the unmonitored route, you can also check E2 levels to get an idea of maturing follicles. There is an increased risk of multiples with Clomid, so I always felt better with monitoring. The Clomid did change my O date a little, and it can also cause false + on OPK, so I think you are supposed to wait a certain amount of time after your last Clomid to start OPKs. Good luck to you, hopefully this is just what you need for a sticky little bean!
Last edited by akhiker; 03-27-2013 at 04:08 PM.
I've done 5 IUIs with medication (two resulted in early pregnancy loss, and three did not lead to pregnancy). Four cycles were with Clomid and one was with Femara, and both were with a trigger shot. I do ovulate on my own, but have random anovulatory cycles. With Clomid, I had anywhere between 1-4 follicles. My RE exlained to me that the trigger shot helps to release multiple eggs (normally once an egg is released, any smaller follicles stop developing). Clomid does increase egg production, and it's possible to release more than one on your own, but it's much more likely when the trigger shot is also involved. My highest cycle, with four eggs plus trigger, was one of my pregnancy/early miscarriage cycles. My other loss was with two eggs from Femara. So I would say that most of the time, multiple follies don't lead to multiple pregnancies although the chances are much higher than in a non-medicated cycle, and I'd say without a trigger shot multiples are much less likely.
I would not want to do Clomid without monitoring, definitely.
We did 3 rounds of Clomid 100mg, on days 5-9 to conceive DS2. I was ovulating on my own most cycles, but was having random length cycles (anywhere from 25-65 days) and had super short 6-8 day luteal phases with lots of random spotting. My ob wanted to try Clomid in the hopes that it would cause a "stronger" ovulation which would lead to higher progesterone production and longer LP so the pregnancy could implant before my body was trying to shed the lining. I'm convinced that low progesterone was the cause of our previous losses. First round was a bust. The second round, we did hyperstimulate, and my ob had me do a cycle of bc pills to shrink the cyst. I felt sooo defeated! Third round was a charm. With the Clomid, I still tended to O late-ish, like CD20-24. When I did get pg with DS2 I O'd on CD23. I started progesterone supps at 3dpo thru 12 weeks. I had a lot of bright red bleeding early on and just knew it was over. To our surprise, the 7 week u/s showed 2 sacs. one had a fetal pole, yolk sac and a hb but the other was empty and appeared it had stopped growing around 5 weeks. Later u/s confirmed that somehow, I passed the underdeveloped sac and still had a healthy baby in the other! Here we are a year later with our beautiful little guy. I hope it all works perfectly for you. Also, a little note about the preseed...a little bit goes a loooong way!! It does work awesome though!
Last edited by sunkiss; 03-27-2013 at 04:45 PM.
I second gwenn and don't recommend doing fertility drugs without a dr monitoring you! Some people might be ok but iu might go through a bunch of cycles without it working and have no idea or worse you could have hyperstimulaton or another complication like that. Or they could send you the wrong thing and that would be bad too. So good thing it doesn't sound like that is the route you are going! I just wanted to get that out just in case someone else is thinking about it and reading this.
I got my femara from the Costco pharmacy (you don't need a membership to use the pharmacy) and with no insurance coverage it was only $6 for 1 month. So maybe shop around at the pharmacies? I heard that clomid is supposed to be cheaper than femara.
Re the breastfeeding question:
I'm struggling with this as well. We got pregnant with my first after the 2nd of 2 cycles of clomid/IUI. We were hoping we could do it this time around without help but we've been trying since last July and no luck so far (except for an early miscarriage in Dec). I'm 39 so we don't want to wait any longer than we need to.
I've looked up everything I can on clomid and breastfeeding and the bottom line is no one knows- they haven't even studied how much of it winds up in breastmilk. Our RE will let us do it, but it makes me nervous and for that reason we've been doing unmedicated IUI's. The thing that really bothered me is that I did find info that the clomid can stay in your system for as long as 5 weeks, and also info that it can be used in men at lower doses than it's used in women (our toddler is a boy). So I've decided not do chance it (it's probably perfectly fine- but the possibility of a subtle effect on his reproductive system bothers me). We've been doing unmedicated IUI's until I can convince myself to wean him (he's 21 months and I'd much rather he decided when it was time to stop than me).
Good luck in whatever you decide to do.
I don't think anyone would suggest just taking fertility drugs all willy-nilly and not confirming that you are ovulating. That would be very dangerous.
We never triggered though because of the increased chance of multiples. This mama has no interest in a multiple pregnancy, the thought scares the beejisus out of me!
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I hate to come in here and be the hammer, but I think a little reality check may be needed. Multiples are nothing to mess with, just remember the more babies you get pregnant with the more chance there is to not bring those babies home. I am one of the lucky ones...and I lived in the hospital for 6 weeks when my trio tried to be born at just 25 weeks along. During my pregnancy...and many times since, lots of Momma's lost their babies or had to make the horrible decision to reduce to try and save some. Please if you are going to use meds be monitored by a professional. The only thing worse than not getting pregnant is getting pregnant with too many babies and end up having them born too soon. Think about all the possible outcomes not just the one you want.
Sorry ladies I really don't want to upset any of you.
Reality checks are good and even better from a btdt momma (((hugs)))...my mil babysits for a family who had a very different outcome with their trio, it's heartbreaking . I've been reading online and I'm surprised at how many drs seem to prescribe clomid without monitoring or even confirming that it's necessary .
I'm hoping no one read into my comment about looking up clomid without a prescription...I'm too cautious to use otc progesterone cream...fertility meds are a scary thought for me and I'm hoping I can sustain a pg without them. Honestly, if it comes to using meds I'm going to ask my dr about femara...the probability for multiples is lower from my understanding and it has less side effects. Thoughts on that are appreciated .
Katrina, you're right, my ideal outcome would probably not be reality...I sure wouldn't go to extra lengths to get multiples yet if it happened we would be scared but excited and hope for the best while planning for, well, not the best...thanks for the check momma !
Eta...I think it's fun to talk about and hope for twins...it's the little girl in me, so if I seemed flippant that's not the case, lol, I'm still secretly hoping fairies and unicorns really exist too but of course my adult self knows better ?
Last edited by kellyowens; 04-02-2013 at 06:57 PM.
Thanks for taking it just how I meant it...I love you ladies, and I would HATE to see any of you (well anyone at all for that matter) go through babies born too early to survive or that have to live months and months in a NICU and then may or may not have lifelong issues due to their prematurity. It is so sad, not at all anyone's dream experience...even in a positive case like mine, once we got them to 31 weeks and couldn't hold them off any longer I didn't get to hold my babies for 4 days and they had nurses doing my job for over a month while they were in the NICU.
Amber...hoping it doesn't deter anymore questions you might have about clomid/femara and multiples!! Definitely don't feel judged/criticized for hoping for twins...totally legit desire and I would *love* to see it work out perfectly for you from beginning to end !
I am so hoping with everything in me that you get a sticky bfp with your first med cycle this summer !! Are you going to chart between now and then? Will you be seeing your RE again or just having him call in the prescription when you're ready? I hope it goes by quickly for you...summer usually does make time go by faster . Thinking of you!
I hope my posts didnt come across that we are specifically trying for twins. Ever since I was 6 I have wanted twins. And now that I, unfortunately, am having fertility issues and need meds to help me along....I would to totally happy with twins. I would also be totally happy with one too!! My RE will be monitoring me during my medicated cycles.
Kelly- I wanted to continue to temp and chart but dd has been a little devil at night time as soon as I'm able to get an accurate temp then I will start again. But I don't want to waste my opk's. my RE said to just contact her when I'm ready to start clomid. We have to get DH's sperm analyzed first though and he is dragging his feet big time on that.
My dh said he's not willing to do an SA at this point. Thankfully, our RE said he doesn't have to anyway since we don't seem to have a problem getting pg just staying pg. I understand it's not a picnic and they feel pressure to perform (I'm sure they feel their manhood is riding on that one test) but it does make me smile considering the invasive tests and procedures women go through to have a baby (infertile or not). I'm not minimizing...just bringing out the humor in it . I hope your dh is willing to get it done soon so you can be beyond this part of it!
Praying your little one starts sleeping better so you can temp again...2yr molars maybe?
I'm surprised how easily your doctor is giving you clomid. My dr made me do a series of things even though I do not O on my own and when all of it still didnt work she was reluctant to give it to me BECAUSE of multiples. I had to sit through 2 lectures about the dangers to my health, etc. she doesn't ask for ultrasounds mid cycle either just blood work on day 21. It's very interesting how different doctors are.
As long as you are getting ultrasounds to know when for sure you are ready to trigger and get down to business, you don't need to temp or chart or do any of that stuff....unless you just want to. Ultrasounds and trigger shots are way way way more accurate in letting you know what is going on.
My RE didn't mention doing a trigger shot. I will get an ultrasound on cd4 and cd 12,13 or 14 and then she will tell me when to start OPKs and then we are to DTD for 3 days following a positive OPK. I'm worried that if I get an ultrasound on cd14 that it'll be too late since I usually O ringht about that time.....unless clomid changes that.
I would skip the day 4 ultrasound and do day 12 and 14. Or do all 3, but 12 and 14 will tell you how many mature follies you have and how close to ovulation you are. I usually ovulated on day 15,16,17 on Clomid.