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Yes, good thing you've crossed the border.
I understand what you mean. I've never had an opportunity to be away from my kids for more than 12 hours at a time, but I did feel guilty about dreading coming back. It's natural I guess. We're doomed to feel guilty about something, no matter what we do!
When are you coming back?
I agree with Heather, we are always feeling guilty about something.
I'd never been away from John until I was at the hospital with Evan and now I realize how much I enjoyed the alone time for a bit. So we are planning a vacation next year without John (just a few nights away), while I'm nervous I know it's something I need.
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We are also planning a night or two away next year. Our 10th anniversary will be in April and we're hoping to go to Chicago for a few days. I *think* my mom can handle the kids but I'm not totally confident.DH says we need to get her to babysit a lot between now and then so we'll all feel better about it!
Al how is Evan doing?
He's doing pretty well. I'm not sure if I posted about this but he ended up having a severe reaction to the adhesive (sp?) and ended up getting REALLY red around all of his incisions. So we went back to the dr last week and they got the last of the steri-strips off and he is finally starting to heal and look a little more "normal".
Yeah we are planning our vaca for the end of Feb. my in laws are going to go down to Orlando with us and go to Sea World and stay for a few days and then they are going to take John home with them and we are going to stay a night or two longer on our own. I totally trust them 100% maybe even more after they were here a few weeks ago. Plus my SIL lives right next door with her 5 kids so John will have plenty of cousins to play with. We are celebrating our 10th anniversary (Jan. 1st) as well, plus Evan turns 30 in Feb.
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http://majorosfamily.blogspot.com/
Good luck today Heather with the peanut testing!!
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Thanks
So glad that it went well!!!
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So.
There was this woman in our ward and then she and her husband moved about 5 hours away to continue school.
She's my friend on Facebook but we aren't really "friends" yk? Like we never hung out in real life.
I saw that she joined a group in opposition to proposition 8 in CA (which is to repeal the gay marriage laws). Which was kinda weird. For a Mormon, I mean.
What do you think?
I mean... honestly I don't feel strongly either way. I do feel it's wrong to alienate a big portion of the world (gay people) and at the same time I feel it's wrong to call it marriage. So I guess I'm not really asking, what do you think about gay marriage
Even if I felt differently, I don't think I'd join a public GROUP about it. To me (personally) that would feel like I was violating one of my temple covenants.
Hmmm. I'm just mulling it over. And this thread is dead so I hope to perk it up. ;)
I'm against it. I think that if people are gay and want to live their lifes that way that is fine. But they should not be married because marriage is sacred between a man and women. If you think about it, if this passes then bishops will not be able to marry people anymore because they will not marry gays, we will not have temple sealings anymore for the same reason. I'm pretty much in agreement with you Heather.
So your question's not about Prop 8, but actually about her joining the group?
I don't join any of those groups.
I'm a FaceBook weirdo. I can't catch the bug. I rarely log on. I like to look at pictures, see who's pregnant, who's had their baby, keep up on news. But i hate all the plug ins and groups, etc. So no, I wouldn't join any of the public groups like that, and especially any of the political ones!
Tiff I'm the same way. If you send me a stupid invite to join some dumb group chances are its getting ignored. I just have a facebook account to see whats going on with people I know but not able to talk to often.Originally Posted by Tif
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I actually love facebook, but I don't get joining a group that is obviously directly opposite to what the prophet is telling us. I know the prophet isn't saying "think like this, be a robot" but they are encouraging members to stand up for marriage between one man and one woman. Ahhh... whatever.
I hear other women in this forum say their churches will get in trouble for refusing to marry gays, but I'm not so sure it'll affect us? Especially temple sealings. Because you have to meet certain membership requirements, and obviously being homosexual is going to mean you can't get a temple recommend.
If it is made a law that you have to be willing to perform gay marriages then it will affect us. They will no longer be able to perform marriages if they arent willing to perform gay marriages. I dont really see this ever happening and neither does my DH we had this long talk about it. If that is the case then how could we be held accountable for a temple marriage? We wouldnt be, plain and simple. Therefore I really dont see it happening.
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Kind of off topic, but in another forum I read (
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I don't know. I think I can see their point in many ways. It's kind of like how a lot of people feel about our presidential choices - like neither is great, and they just have to choose which one is less evil.
meh, but the end has been coming since Joseph Smith. In Doctrine and Covenants 63:24 (I think...I'm at work and totally drawing on a decade ago of seminary) it says that it is called today until the end and then it is called tomorrow. So in essence TODAY is the end. We don't know when. It could be in 20 years. It could be in 75. But if we sit back and say "it is what it is and nothing I do or say can make a difference" then we are no better all those that walked by the ...shoot...what it a Pharisee in the the story of the Good Samaritan? I can't remember. Anyhow, the point is that sure, these are signs of the times. And sure, neither choice is a good choice. I was appalled to hear my dad say that he was voting for McCain in HOPES that he died in office so that Palin could be President. Shocked and appalled for many many political, moral and social reasons, even just for him hoping a man would die. But the bottom line is that while neither choice is a good one, sitting back and saying that politics don't matter...it's those people that allowed Hitler to get to where he got.
And I'm ashamed to admit that John is exactly that person. His problem with politics is that they're too abstract for him. He's a mathematician. Math is definitive. It begins and ends. Ok, so infinity doesn't, but it makes sense. He doesn't understand why he should care if women want to have abortions, why that should matter so much to him that he should choose his candidate based on it, why people care so much about who others choose to love that whole political campaigns can be formed around them. Literally less than a month ago I said to him "Hey, you haven't said much about the whole Palin thing" His response was "Who's Palin?" I'm not kidding. He's is exactly the type of person who let Hitler in, and it's really shameful, to me.
ETA: did they read the letter from the 1st Presidency in your wards yesterday? They stressed the political neutrality of the church as well as the importance of the church members exercising their civic duty of voting. That was from over the pulpit. Telling the members to vote. Pretty clear to me that it's still important. Even if the end times were to begin tomorrow.
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I think they read the standard political neutrality letter a few weeks ago in our ward.
I'm not saying I'm giving up, but I do see their point in a way. There are some things that will happen regardless of what we do (in the world) and our focus should be fortifying our homes and families against evil. I admit, I am more bewildered by this election than any before, which is odd because I have so much more at stake than I did in 96, 2000, or 2004 (I turned 18 in 96 ;) ). I have these children to think of, and their future. Maybe I just feel too overwhelmed with day to day life to think too hard about the 'big issues.' My big issues are what to make for lunch and remembering to return library movies on time.
Well to answer the question one way nope I would never have joined a public group for gay marriage.....
But do I support gay civil unions?...yep. I know I am the minority on this in this group but it's really the way I feel. I totally understand the view of the church and from a religious stand point but at the same time I believe they have rights. Maybe it's due to the fact that I'm not as active as you all or something but it's really how I've felt my whole life. I was shocked to find though that my DH agrees with me on this issue.
I don't plan to ever attend a gay rally or anything but privately I support them.
This is the first election for me (voting wise) so I've been trying to pay attention more than I ever have before. I've made my choice...although I really don't LOVE either of them
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I have to agree here. There is a question in the temple recommend interview about if you agree with, affiliate with or support any groups that are contrary to church doctrine.
That's what I'd think too. I'd imagine since there is already a set protocol for being married in the temple, it could remain in force. I'm not sure about civil marriages performed by bishops though.
Oh...and on Sunday the bishopric in my ward annouced that they will need several volunteers from our ward to call residents of California to share educational information on Prop 8. This assignment came from our Area Authority Seventy. I don't really know any more details about it than that though.
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Dh (teacher, 32) and I (SAHM, 31) have been married 7 years since May.
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I support civil unions & equal rights under the law for gay couples as well. For me, there needs to be a distinction between that and "marriage" though. And from what I've read, that is the church's stance as well. The church is trying to be very clear that this is not an anti-gay movement (I just typed anti-gary like five times, how funny, my cousin gary is gay
Moosh that is really cool... are you going to do it? I have big time phone anxiety. I don't think I could do it.
Well I'm off to the park to buy milk! We are buying our milk from a local farmer and he parks his truck at the playground near our house on Tuesday mornings. Then to the library for new library movies & books. Lucy's at school today and the other two are just bonkers when she's not around!
I'm with you on the distinction from the equal rights (not MORE rights as my dad is quick to point out...he's so worried that they're going to push for more rights because he feels women, minorities, etc have always pushed for more rights in order to end up with the same rights...and I think he does have a point) and actual MARRIAGE...so no, you're definitely NOT apostate, Al! I was VERY VERY amazed when talking with my mom on our vacation to find that she was in support of the civil union stuff. I thought I was going to have to put on my fighting gloves and pull her on over to my side. But she was all about it, so long as it left marriage alone! Yay for more mature parents as time goes on! I can guarantee 15 years ago this would not have been the case with my parents. But then, my mom's business partner in Amsterdam, whom we stayed with and are growing to adore, is lesbianI support civil unions & equal rights under the law for gay couples as well. For me, there needs to be a distinction between that and "marriage" though. And from what I've read, that is the church's stance as well. The church is trying to be very clear that this is not an anti-gay movement (I just typed anti-gary like five times, how funny, my cousin gary is gay
Moosh that is really cool... are you going to do it? I have big time phone anxiety. I don't think I could do it.
Well I'm off to the park to buy milk! We are buying our milk from a local farmer and he parks his truck at the playground near our house on Tuesday mornings. Then to the library for new library movies & books. Lucy's at school today and the other two are just bonkers when she's not around!Mom's really widening her world these days
Heather, you're my Hero. I don't do the library. I despise the library. I tried it again on Saturday, this time with John. I've been telling him how horrid of a place it is for the last year since we moved here and he's been telling me I'm ridiculous and blowing thing out of proportion, blah blah blah. I've tried alone. I've tried with my grandma. I've tried with my mom. I've tried the one across the river that's very small. I've tried story time. I've tried toddler time. I've tried no specific time. I've tried in and out, no detours. I've tried everything. I hate the library. And Saturday was no different. I think it's the book shelves. They make them feel...hemmed in? Claustrophobic? Even the little kids area with real low book shelves. It's just atrocious. John finally took Scharae to the car on Saturday and Keira and I quickly picked out a "train backpack". They have backpacks for different ages with different themes that you can get for a week at a time. They'll have books, a DVD, a CD, a hand puppet, that sort of thing. They have totes full of stuff to help with something-a new baby, a move, an adoption, the death of a loved one, a new pet, school starting. A lot of awesome homeschool resources, too. But I've decided I need to set apart an hour of every week, while the girls are at daycare, and make that MY library day. For me to go and get them books, etc, and what not. And then start taking them one at a time to the library. Keira can come by herself. And Scharae is ok by herself. But adding them together, and when I'm on a time schedule...oi vay. So yeah...you're my hero.
I haven't volunteered yet. I'm thinking about it though. It does seem a little daunting.
Missing my thoraco-omphalopagus conjoined twin boys born on 9/18/12 at 33 weeks.
Dh (teacher, 32) and I (SAHM, 31) have been married 7 years since May.
Our ward asked us to do that too, they want everyone in our ward to commit to 4 hours a week to make phone calls until the election and also the voting for that issue are done. They are setting up a call center here and have a script for you to read and everything.
On a side note: I was reading this book last night 'The Book of Mormon made easier' by David J Ridges and it was explaining in 3 Nephi when the Nephites became wicked that "they changed the laws of the land to reflect their personal wickedness" It also pointed out that "originally the Nephite democracy was founded upon the laws of God." Those 2 parts just really struck me as powerful, I feel that is what is going on in this country. Just something to think about.
We got a phone call last night about the call centers, I guess they don't need us up here, they are asking church members who live in CA to call other CA people. Phew! I wasn't too excited about calling people in the first place.
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Well Tif don't call me your hero just yet. I have learned something. Lucy is the glue that holds Truman and Penelope together! I have taken those 2 to the library on Lucy's preschool days twice now, and both times it was not good. This last time (Tues) they were AWFUL. Terrible, terrible little beasts! For fun they started shoving books off the shelves and onto the floor. And before I could get to them (I was like 10 feet away choosing books for them) they'd already dumped at least 40 books into a big pile on the floor. So I said THAT'S IT WE ARE LEAVING NOW! But of course I wanted to check out our movies so I'd have some quiet time when we got home
We really miss Lucy when she's at school! But I'm glad for her sake she gets a break!
Lacy I'm glad you don't have to call! That would be terrifying for me. I almost think I'd rather go door to door than call people. Maybe. I just hate using the phone, and I take everything so personally.
well you are both more brave than me....I haven't even attempted to take John to the library because I can only imagine the many ways he can act like a crazy child in there. I keep telling myself to go for it and I just may, because you guys did
So I have to give my DH props....after I got John to sleep I asked him if he wanted to watch a movie and he said he wasn't really in the mood but wanted to read together. Which means he wants to read the scriptures. We read today while John was napping so I'm shocked HE'S asking to read again. We were reading them everynight he was home from work but have really been slacking for the last few months. So YAY for DH making steps!
Me = Alison, DH = Evan, DS #1 = John 09/05/06, DS #2 = Alan 07/21/09
http://majorosfamily.blogspot.com/
Oh, Al, that is awesome that he's taking the initiative! That's really great.
I'll still let you hang out at hero status for awhile, Heather. You're still homeschooling. I'm losing my fire on that one. I cherish my daycare days right now. But I am coming up on a rough time in the next 2 weeks. Maybe that's just an excuse. I don't know.
I was supposed to teach RS the 1st Sunday next month, Nov 2nd. At our RS presidency meeting today they told me they'd just have me teach in December instead because they thought it'd be rough for me since it was going to be the day after Taela's birthday and it would be too hard for me to keep it together.
While that's a nice gesture, I think I sort of want to be in charge of that sort of thing, ya know? The president has lost a child very soon after a premature birth and while she's been very wonderful for me, I think she tries to protect me a little too much. So I cried. And I think they thought it was out of appreciation but it was sort of a little that, but a little frustration, too.
So is the desert book website dangerous for anyone else?
I swear I can't go on there without spending at least $50 bucks and that's holding myself back
I went on today for a Christmas Book for John and ended up getting that book, plus 2 cd's and a calendar. I have no self control. Well I do a little I really wanted about 4 more cd's but I'm going to put them on my Christmas list.
So how is everyone doing???
Me = Alison, DH = Evan, DS #1 = John 09/05/06, DS #2 = Alan 07/21/09
http://majorosfamily.blogspot.com/
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Tif, that's got to be hard for them. Have you told them you want to do more? Maybe they just aren't sure so they feel like they're erring on the side of caution and being ultra-sensitive and not asking you to do much.
Al yes I am bad too.
And I am so tempted to get one of those cute wooden letter things of "Families are Forever." But I vowed I would never be the kind of woman who has a messy kitchen with ants and cutesy LDS phrases hanging on her walls.
I went to Deseret book yesterday and I only spent $12. My husband wanted to the Glen Beck conversion CD and we couldnt afford it last pay day so I bought it yesterday. But I love that store!
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