Chit Chat....

[pants]

awww that stinks. Were done with teething here until 2 year old molars. But he was an early teether on all of this teeth so I think we'll get molars by the end of this year........*sarcastically* Can't wait......................

I read everyone elses posts...Polly I think I know calvary ...is it calvary baptist or calvary chapel??? Just wondering.

Were doing great here. GOing to take Isaiah in for his routine checkup at 2:30...i'm stopping all vaccs going further until I can finish researching them. But were probably not going to do any more. He's only had Dtap, Hib, and Polio...but that's it for us. The next child will have less or none at all. just the DT no the full DtaP and possibly Polio. But in our state it's all or nothing for the exemption so were going to claim nothing but we'll so maybe 1 or two...

[DeDee]

awww that stinks. Were done with teething here until 2 year old molars. But he was an early teether on all of this teeth so I think we'll get molars by the end of this year........*sarcastically* Can't wait......................

I read everyone elses posts...Polly I think I know calvary ...is it calvary baptist or calvary chapel??? Just wondering.

Were doing great here. GOing to take Isaiah in for his routine checkup at 2:30...i'm stopping all vaccs going further until I can finish researching them. But were probably not going to do any more. He's only had Dtap, Hib, and Polio...but that's it for us. The next child will have less or none at all. just the DT no the full DtaP and possibly Polio. But in our state it's all or nothing for the exemption so were going to claim nothing but we'll so maybe 1 or two...

Can I ask... why do you want to stop vacs?

I'd for sure get the whole DTaP atleast. Pertussis(whooping cough) is making a huge come back

[DeDee]

Cranky toddler who is screaming over everything. Gotta love teething!

I hear ya Jess is getting the those cuspis plus on top of it he has tonsillitis

[KC's wifey]

So, I am officially feeling PG. I'm just so sick to my stomach today. Ok, so I'm not really complaining but I was kinda happy when I didn't have any symptoms - I know, I'm weird. I never got m/s with Annabelle so this is just so new...and annoying.

Welcome to pregnancy. lol Hope your m/s is mild and short!

I read everyone elses posts...Polly I think I know calvary ...is it calvary baptist or calvary chapel??? Just wondering.

But in our state it's all or nothing for the exemption so were going to claim nothing but we'll so maybe 1 or two...

Its Calvary Chapel. Feel free to PM me with any thoughts/info/experience you have with it! I haven't decided to stay or go yet. I'm going to continue going until I feel convicted one way or the other.

What exemption are you talking about? Lily has only had a couple shots before we decided to delay until she is two.

[KC's wifey]

So DH and I had a totally fun family day planned for tomorrow. We want to go to the Museum of Natural Sciences (they have a bioluminescence exhibit going on right now!), go to lunch at Chipotle, and catch a matinee of Eclipse.
But Lily is showing signs of having a cold. Runny nose, sneezing, watery eyes. *sigh* I'm wondering if we need to cancel because she won't be up for it.

This is the first time we've had money to go do anything like this in over a year. And starting Friday, DH is going to be working for 18 days straight (12-14 hour days) no days off. I was hoping we could have a fun family day before that happened.

Oh well. We will see. Part of being parents, yes?

[CDWard]

Maybe its some allergies?? You could wing it & do part of it tomorrow. If she gets cranky then maybe nix the movie?

[KC's wifey]

Yeah, I think we will play it by ear. She isn't too bad today. Just sniffly and sneezy. Not too cranky yet... hope it stays that way!

[Katetastrophe]

I am not feeling very Christian in attitude today.

[AnnaC]

I am not feeling very Christian in attitude today.

Me either.


I hope Lily starts feeling better, Polly. Sounds like a fun day!!!

[Katetastrophe]

I feel so bad - this has been poking at me in the back of my mind for years. I broke up with my ex-DBF 6 and half years ago. I'm still hurt by the loss (I left him because I knew he would never love me for me, and would likely never marry me). I really, really loved him, and I worry that I'll never *fully* get over that.

I love DH to be sure, but that pain is still there. I don't think I had enough time between ex-BF and DH to "grieve." (I broke up with BF and was engaged to DH four months later).

[Katetastrophe]

I hope Lily feels better, Polly! Could you maybe do a neti-pot on her, see if it helps?

[AnnaC]

I feel so bad - this has been poking at me in the back of my mind for years. I broke up with my ex-DBF 6 and half years ago. I'm still hurt by the loss (I left him because I knew he would never love me for me, and would likely never marry me). I really, really loved him, and I worry that I'll never *fully* get over that.

I love DH to be sure, but that pain is still there. I don't think I had enough time between ex-BF and DH to "grieve." (I broke up with BF and was engaged to DH four months later).

I'm sorry. DH is the only boyfriend I've ever had, so I don't know exactly how that feels. But I married him so young, and I had no idea who I was as a person when we got married. I've only now started to discover that. So sometimes I wonder what it would have been like if I had known ME first, before I married Thad. And if I would have even married him.

But then I remind myself that there's no point in worrying about these things, and that I'm who I am today because of what I've experienced- the good and the bad. And that God put DH and me together for a reason.


Does that even make sense???

[Katetastrophe]

I'm sorry. DH is the only boyfriend I've ever had, so I don't know exactly how that feels. But I married him so young, and I had no idea who I was as a person when we got married. I've only now started to discover that. So sometimes I wonder what it would have been like if I had known ME first, before I married Thad. And if I would have even married him.

But then I remind myself that there's no point in worrying about these things, and that I'm who I am today because of what I've experienced- the good and the bad. And that God put DH and me together for a reason.


Does that even make sense???

It does make sense. DH and I got married young - I was 19. I was 17 when I started dating Drew. Drew helped me figure out who I was, and supported me through a tough healing and growing process. He was 22 when we started dating, but was actually at the same place in life as I was, and I helped him in the same ways he helped me, now that I look back on it. I think that's actually part of what makes forgetting him so hard - without his support, I would never have had the courage to be me, I wouldn't have had the courage to leave him, and I wouldn't have been the girl Martin fell in love with in the first place.

I left him because I knew he didn't/wouldn't love me the way I loved him, even though he wanted to so bad, and I also knew he wouldn't leave me because admitting that he didn't love me would have killed the both of us, and left him lonely. The relationship was holding us both back. Unfortunately, at that time, I was the stronger of the two of us, and had to do the walking.

[Fallenstar80]

All molars have cut through!!!!

[caligirl07]

All molars have cut through!!!!

Awesome!

Carrie, hope you don't feel yucky too long!
Kate, I can see where it would be wierd to let go of everything... Shoot I still have a ton of emotional baggage from a boyfriend when I was 15! (part of why my kids arn't dating lol, were arranging marriages ... ok not really...)


VBS is going great, we have 60 kids, Im doing crafts, its set up like a market place and its tons of fun hanging out with kids all day long, I love getting to know them. Tristyn is having a ton of fun too, and Kaelyn is doing awesome in the nursery, she visits me for a milk/mommy break then is happy to go back to playing!

Her b-day is in 1 month already... where did this year go????

[AnnaC]

It does make sense. DH and I got married young - I was 19. I was 17 when I started dating Drew. Drew helped me figure out who I was, and supported me through a tough healing and growing process. He was 22 when we started dating, but was actually at the same place in life as I was, and I helped him in the same ways he helped me, now that I look back on it. I think that's actually part of what makes forgetting him so hard - without his support, I would never have had the courage to be me, I wouldn't have had the courage to leave him, and I wouldn't have been the girl Martin fell in love with in the first place.

I left him because I knew he didn't/wouldn't love me the way I loved him, even though he wanted to so bad, and I also knew he wouldn't leave me because admitting that he didn't love me would have killed the both of us, and left him lonely. The relationship was holding us both back. Unfortunately, at that time, I was the stronger of the two of us, and had to do the walking.

I was 19 when we got married too. Way too young!!!

All molars have cut through!!!!

Yay!!!


You know what's weird- Hayden never had any trouble with her molars. I just looked in her mouth one day and there were like 16 teeth!

[Katetastrophe]

Ah, teething, one of those things I had conveniently forgotten about. Having a bad memory makes my job easier.

[KC's wifey]

I feel so bad - this has been poking at me in the back of my mind for years. I broke up with my ex-DBF 6 and half years ago. I'm still hurt by the loss (I left him because I knew he would never love me for me, and would likely never marry me). I really, really loved him, and I worry that I'll never *fully* get over that.

I love DH to be sure, but that pain is still there. I don't think I had enough time between ex-BF and DH to "grieve." (I broke up with BF and was engaged to DH four months later).

Kate - I'm sorry. It sounds like it was a life altering relationship, even if it wasn't meant to end in marriage. There are some friendships, and even parts of old relationships that I sometimes look back on and miss. What comforts me is Ecclesiastes 3 - "There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven." Some friendships and relationships are meant only for a short season, then their purposes is fulfilled and its time to move on. I'm not sure if that is helpful for you, but for me it helps me to remember it fondly but without longing because I feel closure in the purpose of those relationships. I can look back and know that it ended when it was supposed to and God is working everything for my good, and I'm sure He is doing the same for you.

I hope Lily feels better, Polly! Could you maybe do a neti-pot on her, see if it helps?

Do 12 month olds stay still enough to do that?? I have a hard time picturing her allowing me to pour water up her nose. lol

[Katetastrophe]

Do 12 month olds stay still enough to do that?? I have a hard time picturing her allowing me to pour water up her nose. lol

You can use it on any baby. I would inquire in the Natural Family Living room, or New Moms, but I think you would hold her over the sink, face down, and she might squirm and fight, but it shouldn't be too traumatic. Ask Duckslikerain - I know her girls (while older) have been using netipots for a while now.

[KC's wifey]

You can use it on any baby. I would inquire in the Natural Family Living room, or New Moms, but I think you would hold her over the sink, face down, and she might squirm and fight, but it shouldn't be too traumatic. Ask Duckslikerain - I know her girls (while older) have been using netipots for a while now.

cool, thanks!

[Tsuuriki]

(part of why my kids aren't dating lol, were arranging marriages ... ok not really...)

I don't want to say that we are doing that, exactly.. But DH's best friend and his wife have a boy a month or two older than B. I was showing B pictures of him, and she just went nuts: jabbering at the computer and kicking her legs (she hasn't done that before or since). SIL's (who know the family) joke about it being a 'match made in heaven'. I just think it'd be really cool for them to be friend-babies.

[CDWard]

I feel so bad - this has been poking at me in the back of my mind for years. I broke up with my ex-DBF 6 and half years ago. I'm still hurt by the loss (I left him because I knew he would never love me for me, and would likely never marry me). I really, really loved him, and I worry that I'll never *fully* get over that.

I love DH to be sure, but that pain is still there. I don't think I had enough time between ex-BF and DH to "grieve." (I broke up with BF and was engaged to DH four months later).

I know exactly how you feel, Kate. I have one of those, too. I haven't seen him since the end of July 2005 after he left to work in Iowa. I know that he loved me as much as I loved him but he was held back by his past. He had children & an ex-wife, lots of baggage, and he just couldn't commit to me like I needed because he feared what his kids would think. But, I loved him, was crazy about him, and we had one of those crazy-type of relationships where good girl falls for bad boy. We just weren't willing to fight hard enough for each other, I suppose.

But, as you said about your DH, I love my DH for sure & things have worked out the way that God has intended. But the pain is still there from my past. Maybe you & I both need closure; I'm not sure how to get that, though.

[AnnaC]

So DH and I had a courtship (our first actual date was the day he proposed- and even then my mom and sister (dad had passed away by that point) showed up to have celebratory dinner with us ) and we're planning on letting our kids date in the more traditional sense of the word. Of course we don't want them just mindlessly dating anyone, or dating at 13 or anything, but we don't want them in a conservative courtship like we did either.




I hate Special Agent OSO but it seems to be Hayden's new favorite show.

[pants]

Can I ask... why do you want to stop vacs?

I'd for sure get the whole DTaP atleast. Pertussis(whooping cough) is making a huge come back

Well it's a mixture of a few things. First I researched every single vaccination right at the drug manufaturing website. I went through the entire list of ingredients. There are a FEW vaccinations that do use propagated [grown] on tissue derived from aborted babies. The cells are called "human diploid cells" in the product description. And there are no alternative vaccinations. I just can not justify the means to the end here. I can not say I don't believe in abortion but use something I know uses aborted babies. There is a christian drug manufacturer that is looking at producing ethical vaccinations. I posted the link a long time ago in here. They will not be ready until 2012-2015..So we'll wait. It's not propaganda were talking about..it is true but it's hard to find because you have to go through each ingredient and research what the ingredients are and how they are used which takes a lot of time.

there is so much more I have also not been convinced that the mass vaccination policy that a one way fits all children in this country is right. They do not even test these vaccinations in a long term sense nor do they test each child to see if they are genetically predispositioned to having reactions to vaccinations. But that's a whole other topic.

I also can not justify putting toxic ingredients directly into the bloodstream of my child without knowing the long term effects. Aluminum, mercury are just to name a few that are in these vaccinations. Most of these sicknesses,that the vaccines are supposed to protect against, go through mucus membranes where the body has learned to build up a resistance and the correct auto-immune response to them. When you alter the auto-immune response with vaccinations you are weakening your child's ability to fight any diseases that normally attack. I will wait until my child's immune system is fully developed (I think many say around 4-5) before we consider any further vaccinations.

there is so much more that I can't really go into here. But that's just the tip of the iceburg. Vaccinations do not guarantee immunity. Pertussus is making a comeback because people that are vaccinated have caused it to change it's makeup to something that we are not immune to. Vaccinations just can not keep up with the rampet change in viruses or bacteria. If an outbreak occurs at my church or playgroup then i'll keep Isaiah away. But I can not in my heart immunize him, risk long term damaging effects from one shot, as well as compromise my religious belief regarding abortion.

I hope I didn't offend you. This is our belief...but If you wish to vaccinate your child then I know that you are doing it whole heartily because you feel it is the best for your child!!! So I hope I didn't offend you!

[pants]

oh by the way I brought back the old post from AVM Biotech for ya!!!

[tracilyn]

Just saying MORNING!!! Have to catch up here!

[Fallenstar80]

Brenda: You make my thoughts sound so articulate!!!!!! That is our reasoning as well!!!!

Why am I still up??? I should have been in bed hours ago!!!!!

[DeDee]

Well it's a mixture of a few things. First I researched every single vaccination right at the drug manufaturing website. I went through the entire list of ingredients. There are a FEW vaccinations that do use propagated [grown] on tissue derived from aborted babies. The cells are called "human diploid cells" in the product description. And there are no alternative vaccinations. I just can not justify the means to the end here. I can not say I don't believe in abortion but use something I know uses aborted babies. There is a christian drug manufacturer that is looking at producing ethical vaccinations. I posted the link a long time ago in here. They will not be ready until 2012-2015..So we'll wait. It's not propaganda were talking about..it is true but it's hard to find because you have to go through each ingredient and research what the ingredients are and how they are used which takes a lot of time.

there is so much more I have also not been convinced that the mass vaccination policy that a one way fits all children in this country is right. They do not even test these vaccinations in a long term sense nor do they test each child to see if they are genetically predispositioned to having reactions to vaccinations. But that's a whole other topic.

I also can not justify putting toxic ingredients directly into the bloodstream of my child without knowing the long term effects. Aluminum, mercury are just to name a few that are in these vaccinations. Most of these sicknesses,that the vaccines are supposed to protect against, go through mucus membranes where the body has learned to build up a resistance and the correct auto-immune response to them. When you alter the auto-immune response with vaccinations you are weakening your child's ability to fight any diseases that normally attack. I will wait until my child's immune system is fully developed (I think many say around 4-5) before we consider any further vaccinations.

there is so much more that I can't really go into here. But that's just the tip of the iceburg. Vaccinations do not guarantee immunity. Pertussus is making a comeback because people that are vaccinated have caused it to change it's makeup to something that we are not immune to. Vaccinations just can not keep up with the rampet change in viruses or bacteria. If an outbreak occurs at my church or playgroup then i'll keep Isaiah away. But I can not in my heart immunize him, risk long term damaging effects from one shot, as well as compromise my religious belief regarding abortion.

I hope I didn't offend you. This is our belief...but If you wish to vaccinate your child then I know that you are doing it whole heartily because you feel it is the best for your child!!! So I hope I didn't offend you!

No, not offended at all

[pants]

My husband, father, mother, and I have been working hard to do a play area in the back yard. What a blessing my parents and husband are. The final play area is done..still a few things left but done...I posted pics in my birth room..here's the link...http://www.americanpregnancy.org/for...d.php?t=264727

What do you guys think???

[Fallenstar80]

Super jealous!!! Awesome job!