Chit Chat....

[KC's wifey]

Praying hard for you and your LO!

[Fallenstar80]

Praying for you and the little one!!!

[anonsouthernbell]

Me too! I read somewhere that someone spends like $1200 a month on groceries. She has 2 teenage boys! I told God I will happily accept another boy, but if I could have a girl to keep the cost of groceries down I would love that!

so true!

Polly:

Another problem I have is many young girls are not given all their options. Many are told abortion is the only option they have. They are not given adoption as an option. I have had a friend who has has a couple of abortions and adoption was not even offered to her. I don't understand why that is never given as an option.

Honestly bc it is a money maker. I heard a woman talk about it once. She said (before God convicted her and had a change of heart) that they used to go into the high schools and give their information to teenage girls. Then when the girls would come see them they would prescribe them low-dose bc pills because they knew that the girls would get pregnant and then need to come back to get abortions. They actually would talk the girls into getting abortions who were waffling regrading their decision or who were about to back out. They did all this for money as abortions are big business. Sad but unfortunately true. And a fact that is not wildly discussed or disclosed.

Ladies, I desperately need your prayers. I was going to keep this to myself until I was in the 2nd trimester, but I'm pregnant again. Unfortunately, I started spotting yesterday at 4 weeks exactly. Please keep my little baby in your prayers.

I will be praying for you.

[KC's wifey]

Honestly bc it is a money maker. I heard a woman talk about it once. She said (before God convicted her and had a change of heart) that they used to go into the high schools and give their information to teenage girls. Then when the girls would come see them they would prescribe them low-dose bc pills because they knew that the girls would get pregnant and then need to come back to get abortions. They actually would talk the girls into getting abortions who were waffling regrading their decision or who were about to back out. They did all this for money as abortions are big business. Sad but unfortunately true. And a fact that is not wildly discussed or disclosed.

I saw that, too! Didn't she make literally millions on abortions? It is big business. I think that's why Planned Parenthood only gives out 1 adoption referral for every 62 abortions they performed (as of 2007, not sure about current numbers). Even though they provide other services, 95% of total services provided to women in that year were for abortion. Their funding goes up as their abortion rates go up. And even though nationally abortion rates went down, PP's abortion services still climbed. link Margret Sanger's vision for PP is alive and well. "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923) link

Blood money is big business.

[anonsouthernbell]

I don't remember how much but I do remember that she said that she made a killing (pun intended). I had also heard that about PP, which saddens me. Have you seen this story about a PP director that resigned from her job last year after participating in an abortion where the dr used an u/s?

[Fallenstar80]

Honestly bc it is a money maker. I heard a woman talk about it once. She said (before God convicted her and had a change of heart) that they used to go into the high schools and give their information to teenage girls. Then when the girls would come see them they would prescribe them low-dose bc pills because they knew that the girls would get pregnant and then need to come back to get abortions. They actually would talk the girls into getting abortions who were waffling regrading their decision or who were about to back out. They did all this for money as abortions are big business. Sad but unfortunately true. And a fact that is not wildly discussed or disclosed.

Did you see this in a documentary. I watched this documentary call the Monstrous Regiment of Women. It was very interesting. And It disgust me how much money is made off of them!

[KC's wifey]

I want to add that I don't think most the people running PP or any other abortion clinic really believe they are murdering innocent life (I sure hope not, because that would really make me ill, although docs that do late term abortions have no excuse). For the most part I think they believe its "just a bunch of cell tissue" or a "potential life" but do not value it as a LIFE yet. I think they need prayer to be convicted like the woman in the documentary.

However, I believe the money potential for performing abortions makes it VERY easy not to WANT to believe its a life. And its strong motivation to dissuade vulnerable teenage girls from believing it as well.

[KC's wifey]

I don't remember how much but I do remember that she said that she made a killing (pun intended). I had also heard that about PP, which saddens me. Have you seen this story about a PP director that resigned from her job last year after participating in an abortion where the dr used an u/s?

I hadn't seen that before. I'm glad she became convicted on it, and great that she is able to shine a light about the on-goings inside the organization.

I'm not sold on the praying on the premises part though. I can understand why PP issued a restraining order. The verse about "pray in your closets" comes to mind.

[ayles]

I don't believe abortion is acceptable to God under certain (i.e. any) circumstances but I also don't feel like I'm in a place to judge someone who was raped if they felt it just wasn't something they could do.

I was drugged and raped in college and it took me years and God working in me and through me to heal from it. Not so sure how I would have responded to being pregnant as a result but I do know the pain that comes from being violated in that way.

What I also know and am thankful for is that we serve a loving and forgiving God and just like any other sin we are covered under the blood even for abortion regardless of our circumstances. Not justifying the sin but saying that even those Christian women who have done it thinking it was the only option and made an impulsive decision are loved and forgiven by God. He understands their pain and hurt and from that perspective I can try to understand it.

Polly~

[KC's wifey]

Ayles - to you, too. I'm so sorry you had to go through that.

How is your trip going?

[caligirl07]

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anyways... do yall mind if i ask this in here? what do yall (as christians, non-christians peeking in on this post need not reply) think about abortions for rape? quote]
I still don't think its acceptable. The whole abortion topic is hard for me, my mom choose life, and gave me away to a loving family... Being adopted makes things appear very differently.... Its crazy to think that I wasn't wanted by one person, but she was awesome enough to know that I was wanted by lots of others (God, my adoptive family, my husband, my kids...)... Im so thankful to her for the choice that she made.

Ladies, I desperately need your prayers. I was going to keep this to myself until I was in the 2nd trimester, but I'm pregnant again. Unfortunately, I started spotting yesterday at 4 weeks exactly. Please keep my little baby in your prayers.

praying like crazy for you...

Ayles - to you, too. I'm so sorry you had to go through that.
How is your trip going?

im sorry too, and Yes, how is the trip going?

[DeDee]

Agreed. This is supposed to be a safe place for Christian moms to discuss their views without others intruding.

Yea right!They just come in to gain the upper hand and use it against us. I stay out of it all. I read things and I'm just astonished on some things and what people say.Then every one starts biting at each other I'm a wuss and hate conflict

[DeDee]

Eh, I don't mind everyone reading here. It is an open forum, after all. Yeah, this room is a "safe" place for us to talk with other Christian women. But that doesn't mean that others aren't reading. Heck, I stalk the secular room sometimes! Guilty as charged! I like seeing everyone's perspectives and what makes them tick.

I've been there once and felt like such a snoop I had to leave I felt naughty being a fly on the wall

[KC's wifey]

Yea right!They just come in to gain the upper hand and use it against us. I stay out of it all. I read things and I'm just astonished on some things and what people say.Then every one starts biting at each other I'm a wuss and hate conflict

I don't think people usually come in here just to get an upper hand and use it against us. I honestly don't think its as calculated as that. I like most of the secular girls, and think they have a lot of intelligent things to say. I think they are curious, just like some Christians peek in the Secular room sometimes because its interesting to see other perspectives.

The problem is that its too easy to want to jump in and discuss/argue things that are seen in the other rooms. Just human nature. When people have passionate disagreement on issues it can be hard to not say anything. That's why I *try* to stay out of secular because I have a hard time holding back when I see something I feel is unfair... not usually when its something I disagree with, but if I feel its unjust or unfair or misquoted, I have a really hard time keeping my mouth shut!

[DeDee]

Ladies, I desperately need your prayers. I was going to keep this to myself until I was in the 2nd trimester, but I'm pregnant again. Unfortunately, I started spotting yesterday at 4 weeks exactly. Please keep my little baby in your prayers.

Praying for you nad your LO

[DeDee]

I don't think people usually come in here just to get an upper hand and use it against us. I honestly don't think its as calculated as that. I like most of the secular girls, and think they have a lot of intelligent things to say. I think they are curious, just like some Christians peek in the Secular room sometimes because its interesting to see other perspectives.

The problem is that its too easy to want to jump in and discuss/argue things that are seen in the other rooms. Just human nature. When people have passionate disagreement on issues it can be hard to not say anything. That's why I *try* to stay out of secular because I have a hard time holding back when I see something I feel is unfair... not usually when its something I disagree with, but if I feel its unjust or unfair or misquoted, I have a really hard time keeping my mouth shut!

I guess I shouldn't say just here in Christian. I think some like to make quotes from other parts of APA against someone when they are angry or backed into a corner KWIM?


I envy this! I'm just such a scardy cat and never stand up for myself

[pants]

HI all.....Well I am convinced through scripture that I can not fine a valid reason why abortion is acceptable in any situation even rape! It just turns my stomach to think of even an early trimester abortion (which some will claim is better then a second trimester abortion). But I mean could you possibly flush your child down the toilet??? I am sorry if that's too much but women just don't think of the long term effects abortion can have on them. I can not even go into the countless number of women my mom has had to counsel that have had abortions. While you can have complete forgiveness you'll always feel like something is missing!! But,there is HOPE for women that have made the choice. And one blessing is that the child is in heaven!! Abortion, like any other sin, is a sin that is forgivable!

I don't mind if people come in here to read. Really I have nothing to hide and I don't mind it one bit. Think about it this way...this may be the only place they read of things of scripture!!

Aelith-I will pray for you!!!!!!!!!!!

[KC's wifey]

DH left to work out of town for 3 days. I'm going to miss him.

[Fallenstar80]

I'm sorry. You can always talk to me online. Sadly I don't usually fall asleep until 6 am, but you can look past that right???

[ayles]

ladies.

My trip is going well praise God. I've been really tired though; Adriel is not used to so many people (and loud people at that too ) so he gets a bit overwhelmed and becomes fussy which means he's with me majority of the time leaving me little time to relax and eat and even sleep cause his timing is off with the time difference. Sigh. He's really happy with people individually but yeah not so much with the crowds.

Still I am thankful for time with family. Still struggling with how my Mom and sisters treat me; well how they act in general; yelling, screaming, cussing, mad when they don't get their way or when someone disagrees with them etc. but praying that God would strengthen me and give me patience to walk in love. Honestly, it's really hard to be a Christian and maintain my composure being here at times. And then not having someone to keep me encouraged and just pray with and for me through it is hard. I can handle them from a distance (phone, email etc)but being face to face daily for long periods of time is such a challenge. Phew. Jesus help me. I feel guilty a lot of times too because being human if I react (and by react I mean getting slightly impatient or raising my voice a little because they interrupt me and cut me off everytime I talk) I feel like I'm ruining my witness. I know that's the enemy though because at the end of the day I am human and I won't be perfect and I am doing my best to stay connected to God and tap into His power to remain calm and patient and loving and kind and SELF-CONTROLLED *screams*

Thank you for lettingme share ladies. I love you all

[Fallenstar80]

Glad your trip is going pretty good. I understand. I have the hardest time keeping my temper in check with my family.

[Consensus]

Holy cow I've missed a lot in here! I've just popped in a few times in the past week but haven't checked the chit chat in a while. I guess I missed the abortion discussion. The topic makes me sad. Caligirl your perspective really hits home.
and Ayla I will pray for you and Adriel that you have peace with the time with your family, even if it's not peaceful

[Fallenstar80]

Jenn!!!!!!

[Katetastrophe]

Aelith - and prayers.

[Katetastrophe]

My mom keeps saying she thinks I will get pregnant when she moves out here. I am still struggling with whether or not we want children (rather moot, though, as we don't and won't use BC). I am afraid she will be horribly disappointed if she moves out here and DH and I do not have children.

[anonsouthernbell]

Did you see this in a documentary. I watched this documentary call the Monstrous Regiment of Women. It was very interesting. And It disgust me how much money is made off of them!

I haven't, but I love documentaries so I will have to check it out. Ty

[anonsouthernbell]

One of the things that I think would be extremely hard for a woman who was raped to carry a baby to term to have to constantly deal with would be the incessant comments and questions from friends, associates, and strangers. Everything from how exciting, congratulations, when are you due, how does the father feel, would be a constant reminder of what happened. And I will be honest with all of you. I was raped when I was 16 and had I gotten pregnant I am almost positive that I would have had an abortion. 1 - I wasn't a Christian then 2- I didn't have the same concept of when life began 3 - I didn't know about the fetus development 4 - and this is the big one is that I wouldn't have wanted to deal with all of the shame and embarrassment of being a pregnant teenager esp when the pregnancy was a product of rape. I didn't even tell my mom what happened and to have to tell explain to her that I was pregnant and how it all happened would have been too much for me at that time. I know that this is just a big what if game but I wanted to offer another perspective. Please don't misinterpret me though I don't believe in abortions. I used to be pro-choice but I am now most definitely pro-life.

[anonsouthernbell]

ladies.

My trip is going well praise God. I've been really tired though; Adriel is not used to so many people (and loud people at that too ) so he gets a bit overwhelmed and becomes fussy which means he's with me majority of the time leaving me little time to relax and eat and even sleep cause his timing is off with the time difference. Sigh. He's really happy with people individually but yeah not so much with the crowds.

Still I am thankful for time with family. Still struggling with how my Mom and sisters treat me; well how they act in general; yelling, screaming, cussing, mad when they don't get their way or when someone disagrees with them etc. but praying that God would strengthen me and give me patience to walk in love. Honestly, it's really hard to be a Christian and maintain my composure being here at times. And then not having someone to keep me encouraged and just pray with and for me through it is hard. I can handle them from a distance (phone, email etc)but being face to face daily for long periods of time is such a challenge. Phew. Jesus help me. I feel guilty a lot of times too because being human if I react (and by react I mean getting slightly impatient or raising my voice a little because they interrupt me and cut me off everytime I talk) I feel like I'm ruining my witness. I know that's the enemy though because at the end of the day I am human and I won't be perfect and I am doing my best to stay connected to God and tap into His power to remain calm and patient and loving and kind and SELF-CONTROLLED *screams*

Thank you for lettingme share ladies. I love you all

I want to scream for you. That can be terribly frustrating esp when you can't vent/get it all out and being away from your dh can't help either. But I do hope that you and Adriel manage to have a great time anyway. I am sure that you are being a wonderful witness!

[Katetastrophe]

My aunt was raped and concieved, despite taking emergency contraception (NOT the abortion pill). She decided to carry the baby. She told people what happened and then told them how she felt about it - that this was God working evil for good, giving her the baby she wanted so badly but was unlikely to concieve as she was in her thirties and unmarried. She let everyone know that Abigail (Abby - the baby) was a blessing and should never be treated as anything but.

Unfortunately, because my aunt is a recovering anorexic with epilepsy, her body could not handle the pregnancy. She went into pre-term labor at 25 weeks. Abby survived only fifteen minutes. However, she changed my aunt for the better, and she treats her body better now. She was and is still a blessing to us.

[ayles]

Holy cow I've missed a lot in here! I've just popped in a few times in the past week but haven't checked the chit chat in a while. I guess I missed the abortion discussion. The topic makes me sad. Caligirl your perspective really hits home.
and Ayla I will pray for you and Adriel that you have peace with the time with your family, even if it's not peaceful

I have missed you and been praying for you! Thank you for your prayers hon