I think with having lived over here for so long where people are so laid back about stuff, I was taken aback when seeing people celebrating but then when I thought about, it makes sense since he was the person that masterminded the 9/11 events.
I do get irritated when I see conservatives b8tching about this when we all know darn well that had this been five years ago and Bush was the CIC, they would have been out celebrating.
Now if only we would get around to stop occupying other countries....I mean Hitler has been dead for more than 60 years and I can barely remember an East and West Germany.....do we REALLY still need to have a bunch of troops there?
ITA. Though I am happy bin Laden is dead, I am not celebrating or anything of the sort, but I can so understand the cheering in NYC and DC. My cousin was in DC at the time in college and we were so scared as we had not heard from her for a couple days after 9/11. My roomates in college were from NYC. One lost a family member at the trade center and was devastated. New Yorkers (and DCers) went through so much because of this event, are still going through so much, and I do feel they have the right to celebrate and I am happy that they have been given the opportunity to do so.
I won't lie though, I did have reservations about the cheering and such, as I personally don't see the need, but I guess knowing the stories of some of the people who were affected do make me realize that they feel they have something to celebrate and it is not politicized, it is just raw emotion and relief IMO.
This quote pretty much summarizes how I feel about it:
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." --Martin Luther King, Jr
I understand the impulse to celebrate but at the risk of sounding like a crotchety old lady, I find it unseemly and inappropriate. Justice has been served and I am thankful for that, but I don't like the cheering and chanting and flag waving. It looks like the crowds we see in Iran, Iraq, Pakistan who cheer and celebrate when something horrible happens over here. I worry what we as a country are becoming.
Just me 2 cents.
"Any idiot can face a crisis; it is this day-to-day living that wears you out." -Anton Chekhov
Midge said in the other thread that people's reactions are not right are wrong, they just are. Raw, true reactions. And I guess I can't argue with that. I feel like I should just stay off facebook though because the smugness of it all bothers me a bit. I support our troops and I am thankful for everything they do (even if some think I should pack up and leave if I don't like it here) but my family that has served, including my dad who fought in Vietnam will be the first to tell me that war is horrible and ugly and to many soldier even, killing does not feel good. War is a soul sucking evil. Many innocent people are dead on all side of this and, for lack of eloquence, it just sucks. I love our country and I am thankful that I feel safe here. But I won't rejoice violence. I just won't.
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I thought this article was pretty good.
I've seen the MLK quote about a million times on facebook too, so I must be friends with some good people too.
I do have to say that I'm proud that our military made sure that he received a burial in accordance with his beliefs. I'm also proud that our government chose to target the person and not the entire building, which undoubtedly saved lives. I'll cheer that, because those small acts of respect and humanity show how far we as a nation have progressed.
I borrowed someones facebook status for my own, "Dear Westboro Baptist Church, we have a funeral you can protest. It's in Pakistan, we'll help you pack. Sincerely, America."
I thought that was pretty clever.
The quote that is so meaningful is not real
"Any idiot can face a crisis; it is this day-to-day living that wears you out." -Anton Chekhov
This is my new addiction: http://www.haagen-dazs.com/products/five.aspx
Only the first part of the quote is not real. It probably started out as a case of misplaced quotation marks.
Remember the mom who wanted me to give a time out for potty accidents? (Oh and Kate, it is against state licensing regulations for me to give timeouts for potty accidents. Not that I would anyway...) Well, the little girl had one yesterday and when mom picked up she was not happy. She spent 10 minutes forcing the girl to apologize to me for peeing in her pants at my house. It was very uncomfortable. Very.
We leave for Canada tomorrow to visit dbf's family. I am actually really looking forward to it for the most part. I really love when my kids get to soak up the adoration of the family. I'm a little nervous because both his mom and his sister have really child unfriendly homes with lots of expensive things to break and spill on. I remember last time his mom was upset that soy sauce got spilled on her silk tablecloth. Jaysus, it's a tablecloth! Even I am nervous to eat at her table!
And why can't dbf's family put their nice things up for a little while? It won't hurt them none, and will enable everyone to really have a nice time without worrying about a little soy sauce on a table cloth!
Hopefully they will this time Chrissy. My mil is one who believes that children need to learn the word no. Which, duh, my kids know the word. And they are actually really good about listening at other people's homes and respecting rules and such but they are also kids, you know? So there is that lack of impulse control and just clumsiness in general.
I remember when she was here she was helping us arrange our living room. (She is an interior designer.) The way she had it set up created this little cave of space between two items of furniture with a plant that was on a tall thin plant stand and the plant leaves cascaded down to the floor. Well, hello perfect fort!! The kids immediately went back there and she all, no no no! You can't play back there. She just couldn't believe that I wouldn't have a space like that in my home that was so appealing to them that they weren't allowed in. That they need to learn they can't do whatever they want. The way I see it, it's their home too and I really don't care to have a corner of the living room off limits to them.
I agree with you Bridget. Life is too short and their childhood will go by in a blink of an eye. Who wants to spend the entire day saying "No!" to their kids? Somehow, they 'get it' about spaces they can't access as they grow up. Mine did anyway. Bobbie wouldn't go into her home and climb behind her plants. Conner would.
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I hope you have a good time in Canada and you won't feel too nervous. My MIL is kind of like that and I used to be nervous but now I just ask her to make sure to put up breakables. Luckily, she is a nice thoughtful woman and loves her grandkids and knows that children are clumsy and accidentally distructive sometimes so she prepares when we come for a visit.
Wait, so you mean Bobbie wouldn't want to make a fort out of a cool fort space? LOL
The MLK quote being fake is kind of funny. And normally I would agree with the idea behind it.....but I just don't in this case. While I think that two bullets to the head was way too nice and easy for him (too bad we couldn't have sent say Dexter after him....if you know Dexter was real!).....I just don't think it would have been good to have him captured alive and trying to deal with a trial and all that and this big drawn out thing to giving him the death penalty anyway. Seems like that would have just created more chaos.
Plus I don't really think that a person like that deserves to be called a human being.
As for ice cream, I like it and will eat it but I'm not that big on it. It can sit in my freezer for a long time without tempting me. I am much worse with things like leftover pastas (spaghetti, mac and cheese, lasagna...and yup, I like them cold and not reheated), cold pizza, alcohol.....
I do though like frozen custard.....Milwaukee has some great small local places. Now where I live, we have to settle for Culvers....Dh likes a turtle custard sundae and I like the one with strawberries. He likes a two scoop one but for me, one scoop is more than enough. Once I got used to custard, ice cream seems really kind of boring and plain.
Oh, I didn't think you would punish for accidents anyway, but I was wondering if you said it was against the law so you'd have a way out, or if it was really true.
Only a couple years ago I spilled a glass of red wine on my mom's tablecloth and she blew a gasket about it. I ended up being the one telling her it was okay, instead of the other way around.
All these negative comments on facebook about Obama claiming credit for the death of Bin Laden really tick me off; I feel like I need to put something positive out there for the Pres like "thanks, Barack Obama, for making my life as an expat a whole lot easier...I never get asked why my fellow citizens elected such a twat for a President now." I used to cringe when people asked me about GWB. Any how. That's my complaint of the day.
No kidding....we almost went to France a few years ago and I was picturing having to say Je n'aime pas president Bush all the time....Dh and I are pretty obvious Americans. My friend who is French said that she was always explaining that not all americans like Bush or are like that (she considers my family to be family to her....and nobody in my family likes Bush! I grew up with a family full of democrat liberals).