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    No one should have to worry about that.

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    Agreed.

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    My DH and my sister both had dual citizenship with Canada as children, but neither of them have it now. They lost it after they turned 18. I'm not sure of all the ins and outs of how it works (or worked at that time - maybe it's different now?) but in my sister's case I understood that by voting here and not living there, she chose the US over Canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenn View Post
    My DH and my sister both had dual citizenship with Canada as children, but neither of them have it now. They lost it after they turned 18. I'm not sure of all the ins and outs of how it works (or worked at that time - maybe it's different now?) but in my sister's case I understood that by voting here and not living there, she chose the US over Canada.
    Ewe.

    I worked with a fellow in 2008 that said she'd love to become an US citizen but they wouldn't allow dual citizenship so she couldn't. She said she'd never give up her socialized medicine. Even though she didn't plan on returning to her home country any time soon, she wanted to reserve that right just in case she developed an illness and couldn't afford treatment here. It was really rather sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridget View Post
    I'd likely have to marry him. But the kids get to have dual citizenship which I love for them!
    That is awesome!

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    That is interesting, Gwenn. It was my understanding that as long as they applied for it before they turned 18, they were dual for life. I will have to look into that. I was really hoping for them to be able to take advantage of the higher education there if they chose to.

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    Possibly it's different now. I never really looked into it since it didn't affect me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenn View Post
    Oh, I understand that logic. I just don't know that the prices will even out enough that prices will truly be that affordable. My employer has over 9000 employees, but I pay more for insurance through them than I did when I worked for a company of less than 300 people. The question is really how many more people will be paying into the system and how much will what they pay help to level out the difference in premiums? I don't know that anyone has shown the actual numbers involved (they couldn't).
    These are points that I thought about as well. No one really knows. In regards to your employment situation though, I do know that some companies are limited in which insurance providers they are eligible to buy coverage with. Maybe your smaller company had a better pool to purchase from than your larger employer. Honestly, I think that is one of the best things about this bill, that companies and individuals will have more options and not be limited by local/state laws/restrictions in regards to coverage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenn View Post
    I don't know what I think of this system. I hate how insurance companies work. A Britain-style system where your taxes truly do go to pay for your healthcare makes more sense to me than this does.
    I also agree with this. I think we are wasting so much money on this public/private insurance crap. The amount we already paid, pre-this healthcare bill is nearly equal to that of what citizens pay in the UK/France/Switzerland/Canada per person and statistics show they beat us in life expectations and infant mortality (of all things, even some countries considered 3rd world beat us in this statistic) even though they spend less per person than we do on healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Suja View Post
    I was going to give the same answer Mandy. The VA is considered a public insurance plan so your DH would be covered with that. My dad also only uses the VA and he is happy he has it. My mom doesn't have insurance at all and because she doesn't make much right now, it is not cost effective for her to pay for insurance as the monthly premium for a single person with pre-existing conditions is more than she would pay for a single visit. I am hoping that now she will be able to be eligible for Medicaid if her income doesn't pick up in 2014 when the whole bill goes into effect.

    And my grandma was one who was bankrupted in illness. She had lung cancer and had over $200K in the bank when diagnosed. When she died, we had to take a collection to bury her because she only had a small funeral policy and it wasn't enough for all of her final expenses. She only had a few hundred left in her account as she had to pay out of pocket for chemo and radiation because Medicare back then would only cover a certain amount of cancer treatments and she was recommended more than Medicare allowed.

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    I thought my fellow friend said that the US wouldn't allow for dual citizenship for anyone...but it's been a few years and maybe she said from her own country. I can't even remember where she was from now, but I do recall she was passionately FOR having socialized medicine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ky'sMom View Post
    And my grandma was one who was bankrupted in illness. She had lung cancer and had over $200K in the bank when diagnosed. When she died, we had to take a collection to bury her because she only had a small funeral policy and it wasn't enough for all of her final expenses. She only had a few hundred left in her account as she had to pay out of pocket for chemo and radiation because Medicare back then would only cover a certain amount of cancer treatments and she was recommended more than Medicare allowed.

    Erin
    That infuriates me. It shouldn't have been that way at all.

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    I read a really good, simple, straightforward explanation of Obamacare the other day, which helped me understand it a lot more. For whoever is interested:

    http://www.reddit.com/tb/vbkfm


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    Quote Originally Posted by 3andMe View Post
    I read a really good, simple, straightforward explanation of Obamacare the other day, which helped me understand it a lot more. For whoever is interested:

    http://www.reddit.com/tb/vbkfm
    Awesome! Thanks!!

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    Thanks, L. Christina, I'm like you in that I don't pay a lot of attention to politics. I have to admit that I never watch tv (only movies) don't watch the news, don't read the paper. I see what comes up on my yahoo page and I listen to NPR on my two hours of driving for my weekly dinner out. But I still like to feel like I have a voice so try to live my beliefs as much as I can. Hence the walmart fiasco on facebook.

    I'm taking Pawprint to the vet to find out if she's pregnant, or in heat..or what. All 3 kids in tow. Wish us luck. It's a hot one out there.

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    Here's something not healthcare related for ya...
    I was married at 19 and divorced at 21. My ex left me peniless, homeless, carless with ruined credit. We were having lots of problems and we were living in one state far away from where both of our parents lived. We agreed to move back to the state where are families were, but when we got there he basically dumped me on my parents doorstep and said "see ya". I spoke to him 3 or 4 more times but he refused to see me or discuss anything. Lots of drama ensued for me and it set off a chain of events that took me 10 years to set to rights. The last time I spoke to him was about 2 months after we moved back. He didn't file for divorce until over a year later. It's my understanding that he now has a wife and children. So. I have at times over the years received hang up phone calls from churches in the state where he lives (did I mention he was a youth minister?). My sister was contacted a few years ago by the daughter of a woman he was dating asking for my email address (nothing ever came of it). Earlier this week, my sister informed me that the ex had sent her a FB friend request! Am I right that it is weird that he seems to keep track of me? Please speculate wildly about reasons why this man sees a need to be FB friends with my sister.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridget View Post
    I am feeling irked by all the fb stati acting like this is about deadbeat welfare recipients. It's so much more complex than that. Like your sister, for example, Jennifer. Even my parents were pretty worried toward the end of my mom's life that she would lose her insurance if she stopped working. She was far from a deadbeat. *sigh.
    I haven't been on yet but most people I know don't feel that way. But I do have one who is a big walker fan and was posting trash all the time about the recall. Thought she was all high and mighty having an associates degree and working for her health care and coverage. OMG I was to tell her off so bad but I held my tongue. My MIL was shocked by her posts (her niece). but it was so on the tip of my tongue to be like....well I have a masters degree and a job with health benefits and am not so arrogant to think that I will always have my job. That some day I might the one needing some compassion from those are up on their luck when I am down on mine.
    Ugggg.

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    Maybe he's changed and wants to apologize?

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    Good luck with the vet trip, Bridget. I'm sure the kids will be little angels while you're out.

    I've read all y'alls thoughts on the Obamacare thingamajig and can only say that I'm so glad I live in the UK now where I don't even think about medical insurance. My FB feed has exploded with people saying America is not a democracy any more and I've had to just snort to myself about that. It makes me realize that I've spent my whole adult life over here and can't imagine living in the USA again; I would not know how anything works or what to do over there! The longer I am here in Britain, though, I do grow fonder and fonder of socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dana_renay View Post
    Here's something not healthcare related for ya...
    I was married at 19 and divorced at 21. My ex left me peniless, homeless, carless with ruined credit. We were having lots of problems and we were living in one state far away from where both of our parents lived. We agreed to move back to the state where are families were, but when we got there he basically dumped me on my parents doorstep and said "see ya". I spoke to him 3 or 4 more times but he refused to see me or discuss anything. Lots of drama ensued for me and it set off a chain of events that took me 10 years to set to rights. The last time I spoke to him was about 2 months after we moved back. He didn't file for divorce until over a year later. It's my understanding that he now has a wife and children. So. I have at times over the years received hang up phone calls from churches in the state where he lives (did I mention he was a youth minister?). My sister was contacted a few years ago by the daughter of a woman he was dating asking for my email address (nothing ever came of it). Earlier this week, my sister informed me that the ex had sent her a FB friend request! Am I right that it is weird that he seems to keep track of me? Please speculate wildly about reasons why this man sees a need to be FB friends with my sister.
    Thanks!
    Ummm ... He's a creepy psycho stalker? That or he misses you and wants to know what you are up to....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenn View Post
    Ummm ... He's a creepy psycho stalker? That or he misses you and wants to know what you are up to....
    Yeah, that's totally creepy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3andMe View Post
    I read a really good, simple, straightforward explanation of Obamacare the other day, which helped me understand it a lot more. For whoever is interested:

    http://www.reddit.com/tb/vbkfm
    Great article L. Thank you for posting! My kind of reading. Simple and straight to the point.

    LOVE this part
    •Congress and Congressional staff will only be offered the same insurance offered to people in the insurance exchanges, rather than Federal Insurance. Basically, we won't be footing their health care bills any more than any other American citizen.
    That alone makes me a supporter of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenn View Post
    Ummm ... He's a creepy psycho stalker? That or he misses you and wants to know what you are up to....
    I vote creepy!

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    Goodluck Bridget! I really hope she is not preggo

    Quote Originally Posted by AmeriBrit View Post
    I've read all y'alls thoughts on the Obamacare thingamajig and can only say that I'm so glad I live in the UK now where I don't even think about medical insurance. My FB feed has exploded with people saying America is not a democracy any more and I've had to just snort to myself about that. It makes me realize that I've spent my whole adult life over here and can't imagine living in the USA again; I would not know how anything works or what to do over there! The longer I am here in Britain, though, I do grow fonder and fonder of socialism.
    Just rub it in why don't ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smplyme89 View Post
    Just rub it in why don't ya
    Sorry, I know that sounded smug, but honestly, I can't imagine having to sort through all that kinda stuff; my husband takes care of all the bills and things like that at our house, so I am kind of ignorant about everything in life that involves money. I know that's probably a very outdated way of doing things, but it works for lazy lil me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmeriBrit View Post
    Sorry, I know that sounded smug, but honestly, I can't imagine having to sort through all that kinda stuff; my husband takes care of all the bills and things like that at our house, so I am kind of ignorant about everything in life that involves money. I know that's probably a very outdated way of doing things, but it works for lazy lil me!
    Not smug at all, I was just picking on you

    I think that sounds wonderfully care-free and I will sit in my corner and be jealous

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    It's funny to me that we already have socialized medical care, and it's some sort of sacred cow everyone is afraid to touch, because it is beloved by its users. Medicare.

    Dana, I'm going with creepy stalker too.

    Mandy, quick question for you. When do kids start getting gender assignment correctly? Mira refers to everyone as 'he' or 'him'. Jack (over 3 now) refers to everyone as 'her' or 'she'.

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    I take care of th bills at our house, for the most part. I really enjoy it. I like doing taxes too.

    As far as lack of healthcare ruining people's lives, we lived it growing up. My Dad passed away when I was 11 after battling leukemia for three years. We went from upper-middle class to over $500K in debt, and we had so-called 'good' medical insurance. It was a very expensive illness. In the end my mom went bankrupt and lost our house, and for a bit of time when I was 13/14 we were homeless, living in a hotel for awhile.

    What really blows me away is people who take advantage of programs like medicare (ILs) or medicaid then complain about health care reform or want to vote it down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmosmom View Post
    OMG I was to tell her off so bad but I held my tongue. My MIL was shocked by her posts (her niece). but it was so on the tip of my tongue to be like....well I have a masters degree and a job with health benefits and am not so arrogant to think that I will always have my job. That some day I might the one needing some compassion from those are up on their luck when I am down on mine.
    Ugggg.
    I truly don't understand why everyone can't see it this way.
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    Oh, and the article Suja posted has slipped into my consciousness by the way of me trying to increase my patience with Abbey doing things for herself, even though it takes quite a bit longer to get out the door when she dresses herself, feeds herself, buckles herself in, etc. But I can tell she's feeling pretty good about doing it herself too, so I'm happy. I just need 2 more step-stools and an unending supply of paper towels.



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    Aww go Abbey

    I must have missed the article, time to go digging!

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    Dana, on the topic of your ex, I agree with Gwenn. Creepy stalker, unless he's had contact outside FB with your sister and has a relationship with her that merits a FB connection.

    And what the heck, while I'm at it, I strongly agree with Gwenn about the need for a Britain-style model. I'm happy that Obamacare prevailed because as someone else mentioned, it's underscored the need for reform of the current system and gotten people to care about it, but I'm not 100% convinced that the bill as currently written will get us any closer to the goal or simply overwhelm the public with bureaucracy and complexity to the point of people wanting to return to the way things were.

    Erin, is the penalty really going to be only $95 per adult on an annual basis? Seriously, if costs were my #1 consideration in deciding whether or not to buy health insurance, I would consider $95 a bargain compared to the average $95/month in premiums I'd be spending. Not that I'm in favor of going uninsured in today's healthcare model where one illness/injury could take down your entire family, but some people don't even have the luxury of planning for that. I can see people choosing to just pay the penalty.

    I'm only on page 12 of my 193 page copy of the ruling. You know what I don't get? I don't see how the individual mandate was interpreted as a penalty and not a tax insofar as allowing the case to proceed despite the Anti-Injunction act, but it ultimately was interpreted as a tax in the decision to let the mandate stand under Congress' taxing power. I need someone smarter than me to explain that to me.

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